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Now and Then in the SCV | Commentary by Darryl Manzer
| Monday, Sep 8, 2014

darrylmanzer_blacktieI am now convinced the whole issue about the billboards came about via some wonderful folks on Facebook.

Those 22 or so folks have cost the city about $1 million in election costs because of some of the “truths” they were telling themselves and later, others.

It seems to me that a certain propaganda minister in Germany from about 1933 to 1945 said if you tell a big enough lie often enough, the people will eventually believe it. These 22 folks started with some really big lies.

“Weste, McLean and Kellar are going to make a lot of money off of the ordinance because the real-estate values near land they own will increase when the old signs come down.” Really? Land next to railroad tracks isn’t of great value to begin with, and Mayor Laurene Weste (who, of the three, lives closest) recused herself from any vote on the matter anway.

Oh, it didn’t make any difference to the 22. They created more lies.

“It was a back-room deal.” Guess what, folks? In the type of city manager construct of our city government, the manager and staff are supposed to negotiate for us. They usually do it in rooms. Front, back, whatever. They’re hired to do that – and in fact, they negotiate contracts for us all the time. Once they hammer out an agreement, they bring it to the City Council for public hearings and a vote, up or down. That is exactly what happened. There were other “contracts” in the works at the same time. Why no uproar over those?

billboards“Electronic billboards are bad for the environment, increase night lighting problems and harm animals. They are also a distraction to drivers.”

Well, a little research and guess what? Back when some of the first (standard) billboards went up along our highways, folks said, “They were an eyesore to the environment, had lights that blinded drivers at night, caused harm to nocturnal animals and were also too close together so that you couldn’t see the countryside.” Some of the same stuff was said in the 1960s by First Lady “Ladybird” Johnson, and now we hear it again.

“The 50-year lease is too long.” I could give them that – except that some of the ground the current billboards sit on has been under a 50-year lease, too. Do we really think 50 years from now we will even be using vintage, 2014-era electronic billboards?

Then there are the petition problems. The side that wanted the deal and the side that didn’t want it had some pretty deep pockets to get signatures and block folks from collecting signatures. The 22 complained that they were blocked in gathering signatures. Well, they got thousands of folks to sign.

Back in my submarine days, we had a sign in the torpedo rooms of at least two of my boats that read something like this:

“Each year the United States Navy’s Submarine Service shoots thousands of water slugs, ‘Tep Ejectus Limex.’ These defenseless creatures are being slaughtered by the Navy for no other reason than to test a weapons system. Sign up now to STOP SHOOTING WATER SLUGS.”

Sounds pretty bad, doesn’t it? Well, by way of explanation, the torpedo tubes of a submarine use a huge pump to force water behind the torpedo, mine or missile, and shoot the weapon out of the tube. When you fire the system without a weapon in the tube for operational testing, you are in effect pushing a slug of water out the muzzle of the tube. Thus the term, “water slug.”

The Latin classification for the “creature” came from TEP = Torpedo Ejection Pump; Ejectus = Ejection; and Limex = biological classification for slug.

What the sign says sounds pretty horrible. The Navy is Killing Sea Creatures by the Thousands.

Same way with the 22 Facebook folks who think they control the SCV. OMG. City Council is ripping us off. They are going to make millions. It is only because they got campaign contributions from the billboard folks. They are going to be defeated come the election. We know it. Everyone on these sites knows that “our folks” will get elected.

Well, their folks didn’t get elected. But we’re stuck holding the bill for an election over a problem they created. We should thank them.

The petition asked the council to rescind the new ordinance or put it to a vote of the people. They gave the council a choice, and the council said let’s put it to a vote.

The 22 yelled and screamed. One of them had to be escorted out of the council chambers by the Sheriff’s Department. It wasn’t pretty.

I don’t look at those Facebook sites any more. Not my circus – not my monkeys. I know the general population of voters in Santa Clarita will vote to retain the ordinance as more is revealed about the folks who want to stop it. I did make one prediction that is already coming true. There will be lots of money involved on both sides of the argument. At last check, more than $120,000 on each side.

Yep, those 22 just keep getting more expensive every day.

One final question for all y’all: Are you going to let a few folks on Facebook decide what our city and valley are going to do?

I hope not.

 

Darryl Manzer grew up in the Pico Canyon oil town of Mentryville in the 1960s and attended Hart High School. After a career in the U.S. Navy he returned to live in the Santa Clarita Valley. He can be reached at dmanzer@scvhistory.com and his commentaries are archived at DManzer.com. Watch his walking tour of Mentryville [here].

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8 Comments

  1. Steve Petzold says:

    A complete distortion of the facts by Manzer. I am disappointed . Perhaps he can represent the Yes on S position at a future informational meeting, because Bob Kellar has gone into hiding.

  2. Sarah Jones says:

    Thank you Darryl for finally reporting the facts! I am in total agreement with your comments regarding how 22 people spouting off on facebook and creating a mob mentality will now cost us.

  3. Lee says:

    Wow…just…wow. Once again, Mr. Manzer, you are so deep in the CC’s pocket, that seeing the light becomes physically impossible.

    1. Ms. Weste doesn’t just live closest to the billboard right of way, she owns additional property that will have its value increased by the removal of the billboards…a value that will be demonstrated when that land is further enhanced by development in the post-billboard era.

    Oh, and let’s not even talk about the fact that, despite recusing herself, Mayor Recusal still benefited handily from this, by way of a nice fundraiser for her re-election campaign…thrown by the lobbyists that are driving the Yes measure…AllVision.

    2. The backroom deal doesn’t refer to where the deal went down…and playing on semantics doesn’t make you clever.

    This was a deal that was done away from the public eye, where no discussion on it could be had. If there was public discussion, the first comment would have been “hey, let’s see if we can get a better deal.” And, of course, this is borne out by the fact that contractors hired by the city confirmed, during the public discussion phase, that a better deal could have been made…for equal or more money on a shorter term. Which leads to…

    3…the 50 year deal. Yep, too long. Too long of a commitment for a bad deal.

    4. Just because it has been argued for 50+ years that this is bad for the environment and for drivers and nothing was done to stop it doesn’t make it wrong…it makes the original implementers ignorant.

    5. Yes, a lot of money was spent on both sides to either get or deny signatures for this measure. The difference is, one side encouraged learning about the measure and working to assure that voters had a say and the other side encouraged denying citizens the ability to sign the petitions and become part of the process. You tell me which is better?

    I’m a little flabbergasted that your blind trust in the city council allows you to believe that 22 cost this city. I’d like to think that it was 4 (3 if you discount Mayor Recusal) who cost the city. Had they made the citizens part of the decision sooner, they – and we – wouldn’t be in this mess.

  4. Jimmy Grise says:

    someone should climb up those things and spray em colorful.

  5. That looks way better than an e-billboard …

  6. John Gilbert says:

    Whew ! The humidity must be up, Lotsa hot air blowing from Darryl today. NAZI’s? So, the first thing the City of SCV did was force retailers in brick & mortar stores to lower their signs along streets to preserve the views and help omit sky pollution, effects on businesses be damned There’s been no laws enacted by the city to preserve the ridgelines, as Thousand Oaks had done. Then, they decided that since we couldn’t see the ridgelines anymore, they forced shopping centers in Canyon Country to raise the height of their facades, hence, passing the costs from the landowners to those businesses, putting several that had survived the recent recession out of business. And, the greatest monument to “Socialism meets Capitalism” is the Walgreens and the Dr’s Office on small corner parcels that were gas stations, and letting them build two story buildings, hence covering the view of the San Gabriel Mtn’s. (not too forget the 12 foot high solar panel’s that the City permitted blocking views from the houses north of Placerita Jr. High). But the killer was when my neighbor emailed the City that my grass wasn’t green enough and The City threatened with fine’s. The City rep came out and pointed at all the violations in the neighborhood, but wouldn’t cite them as “His department was reactive, not proactive.” (Hence, I’ve had to look at an illegal 6 foot fence across the street for 7 years) So, we have a nice lawn for the last 2 years. Now, the City wants us to restrict watering to the point of killing much of the grass. Yeah, Darryl…tell us about “The NAZI’s !

  7. Alan Ferdman says:

    Darryl has his head in the sand. 18,000 signatures should represent a pretty clear message to our city officials. They had the opportunity to stop, reconsider and bring back a deal to remove all the existing billboards in the city limits. But the city council, minus TimBen, decided to spend $208,000 plus legal fees to put the measure on the ballot. The big question is; why is Kellar pushing the Allvision deal so hard when the opportunity to put together a billboard exchange program which would benefit the entire city sits in the wings?

  8. Donna Norman says:

    Those of us who moved from Newhall / Santa Clarita to a different state that has e-billboards, say to people like Mr. Rogers, BIG DEAL. You are narrow minded snobs who dislike progress, no wait, you have a computer, that makes you a hypocrite.

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