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Picture this…a cozy blanket laid out on the grass, the warm evening breeze and your favorite film playing on the big screen.
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The California State University, Los Angeles Golden Eagle volleyball team, which included middle blocker Shelby Grubbs from Newhall, was welcomed to the White House on Monday, alongside other national champions from the past academic year, to celebrate their accomplishments as part of NCAA Sports Day.
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The Friends of Hart Park - in partnership with the Natural History Museum and Los Angeles County Parks - is pleased to announce the return of their signature event “Silents Under the Stars” on Saturday, Sept. 7, starting at 6 p.m., at William S. Hart Park.
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To help students balance education with their diverse work and family responsibilities, College of the Canyons will offer a wide variety of flexible learning options during the fall 2024 semester.
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Beginning Monday, July 29, crews will start the construction of traffic circulation modifications on two intersections, part of the federally-funded, Traffic and Pedestrian Circulation and Safety Improvements Project.
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Circle of Hope's Annual Tea is one of Santa Clarita’s most anticipated fundraisers bringing awareness of breast cancer and raising funds to help those in our local community fighting this disease.
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The city of Santa Clarita’s Film Office has released the list of four productions currently filming in the Santa Clarita Valley for the week of Monday, July 22 - Sunday, July 28.
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The Santa Clarita Valley Special Education Local Plan Area (SCV SELPA) and its member districts actively seek out all individuals with exceptional needs, from birth to age 22, including infants and children parentally placed in private schools.
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The California Department of Transportation announced the right lane of southbound Interstate 5 will be blocked overnight Monday, July 22 through Friday, July 26 from two miles north of Templin Highway (near the Whitaker Sand Shed) north of Castaic Lake Hughes Road for paving work.
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The Superior Court of Los Angeles County will be closed Monday, July 22, as the Court works diligently to repair and reboot network systems that were severely impacted by a ransomware attack first detected the morning of Friday, July 19.
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The Los Angeles County Health Officer has issued a heat advisory for the Santa Clarita Valley through Thursday as high temperatures have been forecast.
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The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health has closed two beaches due to a recent sewage spill.
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1952 - 7.5-magnitude Kern County earthquake devastates Tehachapi; damage spread from San Diego to Las Vegas [story]
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2001 - Then-Assemblyman George Runner introduces legislation to memorialize the historic Ridge Route. Enacted Oct. 4. [story]
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Each year, since 1959, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors funds the production of a free holiday celebration at The Music Center’s Dorothy Chandler Pavilion on Dec. 24.
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Caltrans announces the northbound Interstate 5 will be reduced to one or two lanes overnights Monday, July 22 through Friday, July 26 from Lake Hughes Road to two miles north of Templin Highway (near the Whitaker Sand Shed) north of Castaic for paving work.
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The Santa Clarita Master Chorale, Santa Clarita Valley Youth Orchestra and the Child & Family Center have all earned grants from the Los Angeles County Department of Arts and Culture.
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Santa Clarita Public Libraries will host Tin Can art craft events at all three of the Santa Clarita branches July 23-25 at 5:30-6:30 p.m.
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Sign up to volunteer today for the city of Santa Clarita’s Third Annual Graffiti Removal Day on Saturday, Aug. 3, 8-11 a.m. at Soledad Canyon Road and Camp Plenty.
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The Canyon County Community Center will host "Celebrate," an events series that celebrates cultures, customs and culinary wonders on Friday, Aug. 9, from 6-9 p.m.
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The Valencia Public Library will host a Teens DIY craft event for journals Thursday, July 25 from 3:30- 4:30 p.m. at 23743 Valencia Blvd, Valencia, CA 91355.
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The city of Santa Clarita will present “Textura,” an original paintings and mosaic work exhibition by local artist Naomi Young.
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Join Amazing Dog Rescue at PetSmart to meet the cutest, most amazing, fluffy friends searching for their forever homes, 10 a.m.- 2 p.m. Sunday, July 21.
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Thank you.. very well said and to the point I applaud you for your direct approach and I agree 100%.. and if you don’t mind I’m going to repost this ..again tyvm..
Thank you.. very well said and to the point I applaud you for your direct approach and I agree 100%.. and if you don’t mind I’m going to repost this ..again tyvm..
While I am an advocate for gun control, I agree 100% with what is said here. Well said.
While I am an advocate for gun control, I agree 100% with what is said here. Well said.
This is the 2nd time I feel obligated to “share” this.. UGHH!! .. (Sorry)
per Michael Moore
May 24 at 2:16pm ·
“With due respect to those who are asking me to comment on last night’s tragic mass shooting at UCSB in Isla Vista, CA — I no longer have anything to say about what is now part of normal American life. Everything I have to say about this, I said it 12 years ago: We are a people easily manipulated by fear which causes us to arm ourselves with a quarter BILLION guns in our homes that are often easily accessible to young people, burglars, the mentally ill and anyone who momentarily snaps. We are a nation founded in violence, grew our borders through violence, and allow men in power to use violence around the world to further our so-called American (corporate) “interests.” The gun, not the eagle, is our true national symbol. While other countries have more violent pasts (Germany, Japan), more guns per capita in their homes (Canada [mostly hunting guns]), and the kids in most other countries watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games that our kids play, no one even comes close to killing as many of its own citizens on a daily basis as we do — and yet we don’t seem to want to ask ourselves this simple question: “Why us? What is it about US?” Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males. None of them are committed by the majority gender, women. Hmmm, why is that? Even when 90% of the American public calls for stronger gun laws, Congress refuses — and then we the people refuse to remove them from office. So the onus is on us, all of us. We won’t pass the necessary laws, but more importantly we won’t consider why this happens here all the time. When the NRA says, “Guns don’t kill people — people kill people,” they’ve got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: “Guns don’t kill people — Americans kill people.” Enjoy the rest of your day, and rest assured this will all happen again very soon.”
This is the 2nd time I feel obligated to “share” this.. UGHH!! .. (Sorry)
per Michael Moore
May 24 at 2:16pm ·
“With due respect to those who are asking me to comment on last night’s tragic mass shooting at UCSB in Isla Vista, CA — I no longer have anything to say about what is now part of normal American life. Everything I have to say about this, I said it 12 years ago: We are a people easily manipulated by fear which causes us to arm ourselves with a quarter BILLION guns in our homes that are often easily accessible to young people, burglars, the mentally ill and anyone who momentarily snaps. We are a nation founded in violence, grew our borders through violence, and allow men in power to use violence around the world to further our so-called American (corporate) “interests.” The gun, not the eagle, is our true national symbol. While other countries have more violent pasts (Germany, Japan), more guns per capita in their homes (Canada [mostly hunting guns]), and the kids in most other countries watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games that our kids play, no one even comes close to killing as many of its own citizens on a daily basis as we do — and yet we don’t seem to want to ask ourselves this simple question: “Why us? What is it about US?” Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males. None of them are committed by the majority gender, women. Hmmm, why is that? Even when 90% of the American public calls for stronger gun laws, Congress refuses — and then we the people refuse to remove them from office. So the onus is on us, all of us. We won’t pass the necessary laws, but more importantly we won’t consider why this happens here all the time. When the NRA says, “Guns don’t kill people — people kill people,” they’ve got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: “Guns don’t kill people — Americans kill people.” Enjoy the rest of your day, and rest assured this will all happen again very soon.”
Thanks for posting this twice Sue. I too am a big fan of Michael Moore. We should all listen to a true American hero for the people!
Right, everyone carry a gun and everyone shoot….well thought out.
Aspergers isn’t a mental illness, Joe Messina.
Aspergers isn’t a mental illness, Joe Messina.
California lost many mental health institutions back in 1978 when prop 13 passed, under Gov. Reagan’s term. The people thought they were going to be saving tax dollars, and instead hundreds of mentally ill people were let out of these institutions, to live in the streets, or with family members. The issue with this murderer is clear, and Joe made many valid comments. When will it not become a politically correct issue to stop disturbed mentally ill people from owning guns? How can these people be screened properly in order to avoid another massacre? I think as the internet and cell phone phenomenon has gotten so rampant, people no longer actually know who and what their neighbors are, or their state of mind in society. I do agree with Joe that indeed the family of this sick maniac knew their child was a danger, and did nothing to prevent him from a possible attack on the public! Instead the family gave him money, cars, & spoiled him rotten. My heart goes out to the kids who lost their lives, and to the family and friends of those who were killed in this incident. So very tragic.
California lost many mental health institutions back in 1978 when prop 13 passed, under Gov. Reagan’s term. The people thought they were going to be saving tax dollars, and instead hundreds of mentally ill people were let out of these institutions, to live in the streets, or with family members. The issue with this murderer is clear, and Joe made many valid comments. When will it not become a politically correct issue to stop disturbed mentally ill people from owning guns? How can these people be screened properly in order to avoid another massacre? I think as the internet and cell phone phenomenon has gotten so rampant, people no longer actually know who and what their neighbors are, or their state of mind in society. I do agree with Joe that indeed the family of this sick maniac knew their child was a danger, and did nothing to prevent him from a possible attack on the public! Instead the family gave him money, cars, & spoiled him rotten. My heart goes out to the kids who lost their lives, and to the family and friends of those who were killed in this incident. So very tragic.
perfectly said Kim
I find myself in complete agreement (as usual) with Michael Moore. Pathetic.
Perfectly said, another sick person slips thru the cracks and innocent people die because the system failed to spot the warning symbols!!
Joe, what are your proposed solutions to the problem? Pointing to the ‘federal government’ and ‘political correctness’ seems like an attempt to rile people up, not solve the problem.
The solution seems to entail much greater mental health resources. We need more funding, education, and understanding. Perhaps even a person purchasing a gun should be checked out by some sort of mental health professional, who knows?
We also need to understand the warning signs and have a procedure in place to deal with them. Sending the police in to evaluate a person with possible mental issues is like asking a CPA to fix your computer. You need the right person for the job, and we need a lot more resources to deal with issues proactively, not reactively.
Let’s not point fingers, let’s reform and improve the systems we have to better help everyone, and hopefully prevent this type of tragedy from reoccurring. After all, isn’t that the point of government and society?
What say you, Joe? What can ‘We the People’ do to make our country a ‘more perfect Union’?
“This piece is going to be a little harsh, so stop reading if you don’t want an in-your-face look at this massacre” – Seriously? All you did was repost “facts” you found online. And you even added the “why not ban knives and cars too” argument. That’s the stupidest argument in the entire debate. Why don’t you actually suggest something to try, besides writing poorly researched articles where you tell everyone what’s not working, with your thinly veiled smug demeanor. This article isn’t interesting enough to be harsh.
Here’s someone that’s actually saying something: http://m.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/05/christopher-michael-martinezs-father-gets-it-right.html?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=facebook&mbid=social_facebook
I get this guys raw emotion but blaming politicians and the NRA an hour or two after his son was murdered.. the last think on my mind would be having a microphone shoved in my face pointing blame… the facts were far from clear… and this guy is blaming politicians and the NRA for his sons death… strongly disagree.. a screwed up kid with issues about not having friends about not getting attention and affection from women who in the you tube video was perfectly aware of sitting in his car making that recording of retaliation..
I feel I am pretty educated in my rights to own a gun .. and as someone who is pretty educated with proper gun ownership .. I want to know if this kid had (speculated) mental issues (seeing various psychologists/therapists) how did he pas the background check.. and did his parents know he had purchased a gun?
I think its safe to say this is a tragedy but I think its also safe to say he used a knife to kill the first 3 victims a gun to kill 3 more victims and injured others with his car.. lets stop sideline quarterbacking this and let the facts come out before we and the media jump on the need more gun control band wagon…
responsible gun owners dont do this crap, and bad guys and people who prob should now own a gun will always find a way to get their hands on one..
If he purchased them legally, I would say that actually makes him a responsible gun owner. And I’m sorry the victims father didn’t wait longer to collect his thoughts, heaven forbid he speak from his heart. And do you find your “let’s stop sideline quarterbacking this” comment ironic at all? Y’know, because you’re telling a guy who has actual real painful involvement in the story, to stop QB’ing from the sideline. Maybe you’d listen if he was more involved, like you?
While you on on your high horse defending the irrational emotional outcry of a grieving man, are you then calling for more responsible gun ownership? More responsible vehicle and knife ownership too? There were people that knew this kid was a ticking time bomb. Yet they gave him meds and expensive cars and money.
I didn’t ask for anything. I’m not on a high horse that would be your buddy Joe who wrote the article. All I was merely saying is if you’re going to take the time to act like you have something to say, actually say something. Instead of saying “political correctness” was to blame. That’s completely idiotic, and you are all so quick to support it.
And for the record, I actually agree with you. I feel like this is less about guns and more about raising pathetic entitled little children. Those kids grow up and get guns.
Once again Joe has a simplistic view but thinks he’s deep.
Jenny Falk- Grillo, this article is about as deep as an empty kiddie pool. I don’t know what article you read, but the one i just read said society is too politically incorrect and, therefore, six people were brutally murdered as a result. No solutions, no deeper look into why society is the way it is.
Deep? Maybe. In this day and age where TMZ is all the rage yes, this would be deep by comparison.
I am going to propose a radical idea. I think that if all the mentally unstable people were being properly diagnosed and taken care of there would still be people killing other people with guns. I also propose that if we took away all the guns there would still be people killing other people. These incidents are not about just gun control or just mental health issues. These are both problems that need solutions and trying to land on one side or the other causes paralysis by analysis. Political correctness has nothing to do with this. We live in a land of due process where you can’t arrest someone for the things they say mentally unstable or not it’s not illegal to be an angry young man posting about it online. A motivated person will find a way to follow thru. I don’t honestly know what the solution is, it’s super complex and more than just fix this or that.
Despite the tragedy, something good has surfaced, a cool new mug shot. Thanks for that. And super story to back it up. Thanks. Greg.
This issue started at home, where was mom and dad this whole time living large ?.. Get to know your kids. Innocent ppl giving up their guns solves nothing but create communist.
Joe didn’t say that Asberger’s syndrome was a mental illness, Julie Olsen. There seemed to be many other issues, including a thought disorder and pre-occupation with violent video games and sex. I’ve read all the articles, his manifesto, and saw the u-tube videos, as Im sure he did, too…..clearly there was more going on than Asberger’s.
agree Marina, while i dont always agree with everything that Joe writes I respect his view point and think this time he is saying what many of us are thinking …
None of which is predictive of anything.
I am going to propose a radical idea. I think that if all the mentally unstable people were being properly diagnosed and taken care of there would still be people killing other people with guns. I also propose that if we took away all the guns there would still be people killing other people. These incidents are not about just gun control or just mental health issues. These are both problems that need solutions and trying to land on one side or the other causes paralysis by analysis. Political correctness has nothing to do with this. We live in a land of due process where you can’t arrest someone for the things they say mentally unstable or not it’s not illegal to be an angry young man posting about it online. A motivated person will find a way to follow thru. I don’t honestly know what the solution is, it’s super complex and more than just fix this or that.
The news stories state that when the police did the welfare check three-four weeks before when the family asked for that, he had NO history of purchasing a firearm at that time. So we dint even know if they were bought legally or not. The truth is that cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest rate of gun related crimes. If you are sick enough to want to inflict harm or fear onto someone or a group of people.. you will find away. Bombs, knives, cars. People use many different methods to kill all the time. I also have to say that I am a little bewildered, at best, how quickly the political attacks and finger pointing blame were made regarding this. The victims aren’t even laid to rest yet.
I don’t think you are using the term political correctness correctly. Mental health issues are not a matter of political correctness, but rather a matter of what our society stigmatizes. Mental health issues are constantly associated with violence because the only time people talk about it is in violently extreme cases such as this. Mental health is private in our society because it is extremely stigmatized; a person with depression will automatically be seen as violent because of how our society labels those with mental health issues, so they don’t want to make that information public.
Here’s a solution: We don’t need to attack political correctness, but rather look inwards on our societal values. Mental health NEEDS to be treated the same as physical health in order to avoid more events like this in the future.
I am trying to figure out how it is that you think political correctness factored in this. What actually happened is that the police failed to identify someone who they had been TOLD by people far more qualified than they are that the person was dangerous, and they ignored that advice and made their own bad decision. We can avoid this by stopping the pretension that police officers are mental health experts – they aren’t.
Michael Moore sounds so sophisticated in his rants until you ask him a question that’s off his script. Such as how often guns are used in defense as opposed to offense.
Hopefully cases like this one will open people’s eyes and make them more aware of the people around them. It seems like in every case, it’s a character like this guy that snaps.
I learned from a health care official that Santa Barbara supposedly has a mental health team that is supposed to go out and investigate these welfare checks not just police. If so where were they? Supposedly this team contacts the family who know this person the best and get a factual history of their mental health before they go in. Maybe more teams should be formed to address these matters with police. If he was clearly posting threats, why was he not considered a danger to others and his premises searched?
Often these “mental health teams” only go out when the officers request it. Since the cops in SB are so well-trained (as you can tell from the outcome of this) they probably felt they didn’t need them.
Fact: polls show that most people want gun control legislation of some type. Fact: it doesn’t matter what people want from gun legislation to immigration reform , etc etc. while we’re governed by the corporate oligarchy.
Wake up! it’s not Dems VS Repubs (they’re the puppets), it’s US vs the corporate oligarchy! Unless you’re in the 1%, we’re all on the same side.
Wait 3 of the 6 were killed by knives not just a gun , are knives going to be banned?? If we had permitted gun owners like az id va etc than someone could have prevented him from him shooting any others.
Right, guns for all, everyone start shooting….so well thought out.
Well written Joe. Lets also point out that the guns were only one instrument in this lunacy. A knife on the first 3 victims. A car the was used to run down several others. The focus on just guns isn’t the focus. Its a question of what we should do with those who pose a danger and will stop at nothing to cause harm to incent people. Going after guns or knives isn’t necessarily the answer.