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Now and Then in the SCV | Commentary by Darryl Manzer
| Saturday, Aug 2, 2014

darrylmanzer_blacktieI have to correct a little something from my last commentary. The Castaic Area Town Council is elected, not appointed.

All of the comments on yesterday’s installment made me look a lot closer at the laws and regulations governing boards, commissions and committees that are appointed or elected to serve the county in some capacity. This includes town councils, committees for just about any reason, and various boards and commissions created by the L.A. County Board of Supervisors.

A little over nine years ago, the subject came up on the requirement of members of those various listed groups with respect to the Ralph M. Brown Act which, among other thing, requires financial disclosure forms to be filed. All y’all can thank the Agua Dulce Town Council for getting the matter resolved and clarified.

With all the arguments and ill feelings between various people and groups in Val Verde and Castaic concerning the proposed expansion of the Chiquita Canyon Landfill, some matters need to be brought up and some questions need to be asked.

The Val Verde Civic Association is not appointed or elected through a county-used process. It is an association of private citizens who live in Val Verde. It is not subject to the reporting requirements of the Ralph M. Brown Act.

The members of the Val Verde Community Advisory Committee (VVCAC) are appointed by “the member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors representing the Fifth District,” making them an arm of the county.

The CBFC is the Community Benefits Funding Committee; they are the ones who take in the money from the landfill and distribute it throughout the Val Verde Community via the programs offered. The CBFC is an elected committee, and along with the VVCAC and Castaic Area Town Council, are all subject to the Ralph M. Brown Act.

So I hope the members of the VVCAC, CATC and CBFC are filing their financial disclosure forms as required by state law. If you aren’t, get working on them. The penalties are not good.

There’s a rumor going around that the Castaic Area Town Council has a deal with the Chiquita dump to get 30 percent of the funding that now goes to the CBFC if the landfill is expanded again. Is this true? Could someone please answer this?

I find it difficult to understand why Castaic should get any of the funds now given to CBFC. Folks in Castaic don’t get the smell or the aggravation from the dump. So I hope it isn’t true.

In 1957, there was an effort to have all the schools in the SCV become one huge, unified school district. At the time, the Sulphur Springs and Saugus schools were the poorest schools, and Newhall and Castaic had money because of the oil and gas wells within those districts. So the fight was on.

During that fight, there was a school board election, and my mother was elected to the Castaic board of education. She had gone to Val Verde – we lived on Church Street in Castaic at the time – and talked to the members of that community … something no other candidate even attempted to do.

She carried Val Verde at the polls and thus won election. (Efforts at unification were also shot down.)

The folks in Val Verde in those days felt they were isolated and forgotten. The county gave them a park and a pool and stayed away otherwise. The kids in Val Verde rode the bus to Castaic Elementary or to William S. Hart Junior and Senior High School.

And Val Verde was isolated and forgotten because almost all of the residents there at the time were African-American. It was, for housing, de-facto segregation. Things have changed since then.

But the attitude of self-reliance, amid the isolation, has remained. I would think the thought of Castaic taking some of the mitigation funds would be cause for legal action by the folks in Val Verde.

If Castaic does get some of the funds, are they willing to move part of the dump to the west end of Parker Road?

If you don’t ever smell it, you shouldn’t even have a say in the process. Just a thought.

I think the best solution to the whole mess is that it be put to a vote by the people of Val Verde. Keep the dump, yes or no? That would mean some members of the VVCAC couldn’t vote on that choice, because not all of the members of the committee that’s supposed to be a liaison between the dump and the community of Val Verde live in Val Verde.

If folks in Val Verde want the dump, let it expand, and deal with the smells. But if they don’t the dump, let it be shut down in 2019 and covered and replanted. I like that best.

What do all y’all think about some real “self determination” process out there? I know it is a rather radical idea. Let’s do it.

 

Darryl Manzer grew up in the Pico Canyon oil town of Mentryville in the 1960s and attended Hart High School. After a career in the U.S. Navy he returned to live in the Santa Clarita Valley. He can be reached at dmanzer@scvhistory.com and his commentaries are archived at DManzer.com. Watch his walking tour of Mentryville [here].

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  1. I think a vote is a great idea, and I commend your persistence on sharing this issue, which stirs up a lot, but is so important.

  2. Steve Lee says:

    Would love it. Yes Castaic would get 30% of the funds that come into Val Verde. I am on the VVCA and I was the opposing vote on that. I had been to a Castaic meeting and did not feel we were well represented here in Val Verde. I could be wrong, but that is how I felt at that meeting. When negotiations started they were asking/demanding that they get most of it, since they have most of the kids from Val Verde coming to their schools. As a VVCA board member I felt I needed to represent all the members of Val Verde. I went to the neighborhood that complained about the smells. I smelt the smells, I mean really smelt them. I get them by my house but maybe 12 days in a year. They live in it for a good chunk of the year. Over time more of Lincoln street came to the meetings. They were vocal. When we had the big meeting to discuss the landfill, they were very vocal about shutting it down. I think that was a shock to most of our board. They thought the funds would the issue, and how to deal with the funds. At that meeting the majority said shut it down. As a board we felt it best to represent the vote of the community. We are not at a final vote yet, that comes when all the fights are over and we bring in as many people who want to be heard. I as a resident want it shut down. As a member if the vote goes to say no, I will fight, fight, fight. If the vote say’s we need the money, I hope it does not, but if it does I will sign the agreement. I will still fight for Lincoln, but I think I will have to sign. I might be lucky, since I am appointed just to clean the trash that is thrown out car windows as they pass through our town. My signature would not be required.

    By all means lets vote. As a resident I say Close it. As a member of the board, I will say what the town says. I hope I can sway them to say close it.

  3. Greg Kimura says:

    Darryl, I like how you take a step back from this and look at things from viewpoint of the whole picture.

    I appreciate you writing these commentaries and I believe you have a good grasp of what’s happening, based on your desire to speak to the residents.

    The people who live in the area of Val Verde near the landfill (I call it the President Streets) have a many known problems and also some unknown problems.

    Smells exist – no doubt about that.
    Something in the air makes people nauseaous – no doubt about that.
    Something in the air gives people a headache – no doubt about that.
    The unknown creates stress and fear – fact.
    The stress and fear create medical conditions – not sure if there is proof of this, but it makes sense to me.
    Air quality is not tested in this neighborhood. Definitely an unknown.
    What is the landfill doing to the soil in Val Verde, ie. the particulate matter and also any landfill gas mixing with the soil? Another unknown.
    What is the effect of breathing in these gasses for years? An unknown or maybe not.
    What about the “other” things that the landfill isn’t suppose to take in, but they have? What is this doing to my family and me?
    Property values are lower, due to the proximity to the landfill. – Anyone who argues against this needs to go back to economics 101 and look at supply and demand curves. If there are less people willing to buy near a landfill, then there is less demand. Shift the curve down and you have a lower price.
    In times of a weak real estate market, location, location, location are much more important vs when the market is strong. One part of location is “are there any undesirable aspects to the location”. I would think a landfill being close by would be a great example.

    I could add much more to this list. I just want people to think about trading dollars off for these impacts.

  4. Abigail DeSesa says:

    Someone just brought it to my attention that the next DEIR hearing is the exact same date and time as the VVCA (Val Verde Civic Association) meeting, but it is going to be held at the meeting place of the CATC (Castaic Area Town Council. What a coincidence.

    • SCVNews.com says:

      Perhaps the VVCA could change its meeting location to the site of the CATC meeting for that one time.

  5. Geese says:

    I was notified there is another DEIR meeting. This DEIR meeting is directed at the Castaic Area Town Council Land Use Committee. They have a public meeting scheduled for August 14, 2014, starting at 7 pm at the Castaic Union School District Office, 28131 Livingston Ave., Castaic, CA 91355. I wonder why this was not mentioned at the DERI meeting on July 31, 2014 at the Castaic Sports Complex Gymnasium?

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